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| From: | Justin Farnsworth | Date: | July 18 2001 3:46pm |
| Subject: | Re: mysql.org | ||
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Werner is correct in encouraging all to make up your own mind. And, it is always possible that Orwellian "DoubleSpeak" is an ingredient of these public statements and posturing. But, a great distinction must be made here, and not tie the idea of "DoubleSpeak" to a fear of manipulation, unless you, the reader, allow it. DoubleSpeak is only truly dangerous in the Orwellian context, when there is a central authority, and where it can truly cause a veering away from the noble instincts of man. We are free here, the Net cannot be captured by a central authority (I hope), and Mr. Johnston has no power over me by virtue of this situation. My DoubleSpeak is just as weak as Mr. Johnstons DoubleSpeak, is just as weak as Werner's DoubleSpeak, because of the Net, because of things like Open Source and its principles. We are lucky to have this great mesh of communication, this Samizat right under our fingertips... We pay a price in certain ways, like having to eat spam three meals a day. I still consider it well worth it. Helas, I am an optimist. _jef _________________________________________ Werner Stuerenburg wrote: > > table > > > This statement/release was very ordinary, very normal, very to-the-point > > for any situation such as this. Condescending, no. Condescension, > > like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. > > Well, I didn't plan to give my opinion on this subject publicly. > But, I was alerted by the last post of Mr. Johnston and am > concerned about this interpretation I refer to. > > I have to admit that English is not my native language and I may > miss a lot of meaning. But this is the situation of the MySQL > people as well, and I know English good enough (and the art of > negotiation and politics) to feel strongly what happens here. > > Incidentally, this morning I received a long elaboration about > spam, written by a long-standing spam fighter. We all know that > this subject is equally unpleasant. He closes his remarks with > the following, which I think applies to the recent dialogue as > well: > > I remember when I first read Orwell's "1984." The > concept that really got my attention was > DoubleSpeak. I thought he was really out there. > > Orwell was an optimist. > > Paul Myers, talkbiz.com > > Reread both of the posts of MySQL and nusphere in question and > make up your mind. > > -- > Herzlich > Werner Stuerenburg > > _________________________________________________ > ISIS Verlag, Teut 3, D-32683 Barntrup-Alverdissen > Tel 0(049) 5224-997 407 · Fax 0(049) 5224-997 409 > http://pferdezeitung.de -- Justin Farnsworth Eye Integrated Communications 321 South Evans - Suite 203 Greenville, NC 27858 | Tel: (252) 353-0722
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