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From:John Daisley  Date:December 14 2009 9:27am
Subject:RE: Help saving MySQL
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 Claudio Nanni wrote:
 > "Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in
 (...)

This isn't about Monty or how much he earns. This is about protecting MySQL and open
source, without which many of us wouldn't have a job.

....and besides, having dedicated 27 years of his life to MySQL I think he earned every
last penny!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio Nanni <claudio.nanni@stripped>
Sent: 14 December 2009 06:30
To: monty@stripped
Cc: mysql@stripped
Subject: Re: Help saving MySQL

"Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in
 capital gains <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gain> in 2008 (16.8
 million € total income), making the top 10 of highest earners in Finland
 that year."
 [wikipedia]

 Cheers

 Claudio Nanni



 Michael Widenius wrote:
 > Subject: Help saving MySQL from Oracle!
 >
 > I, Michael "Monty" Widenius, the creator of MySQL, is asking you
 > urgently to help save MySQL from Oracle's clutches.  Without your
 > immediate help Oracle might get to own MySQL any day now. By writing
 > to the European Commission (EC) you can support this cause and make
 > things much harder for Oracle.
 >
 > What this text is about:
 > - Summary of what is happening
 > - What Oracle has not promised
 > - Oracles past behavior with Open Source
 > - Help spread this information (Jump to 'What I want to ask you to do')
 > - Example of email to send to the commission (Jump to 'send this to:')
 >
 > I have spent the last 27 years creating and working on MySQL and I
 > hope, together with my team of MySQL core developers, to work on
 > it for many more years.
 >
 > Oracle is trying to buy Sun, and since Sun bought MySQL last year,
 > Oracle would then own MySQL. With your support, there is a good chance
 > that the EC (from which Oracle needs approval) could prevent this from
 > happening. Without your support, it might not. The EC is our last big
 > hope now because the US government approved the deal while Europe is
 > still worried about the effects.
 >
 > Instead of just working out this with the EC and agree on appropriate
 > remedies to correct the situation, Oracle has instead contacted
 > hundreds of their big customers and asked them to write to the EC and
 > require unconditional acceptance of the deal. According what I been
 > told, Oracle has promised to the customers, among other things, that
 > "they will put more money into MySQL development than what Sun did"
 > and that "if they would ever abandon MYSQL, a fork will appear and
 > take care of things".
 >
 > However just putting money into development is not proof that anything
 > useful will ever be delivered or that MySQL will continue to be a
 > competitive force in the market as it's now.
 >
 > As I already blogged about before,
 > http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/10/importance-of-license-model-of-mysql-or.html,
 > a fork is not enough to keep MySQL alive for all future, if Oracle, as
 > the copyright holder of MySQL, would at any point decide that they should
 > kill MySQL or make parts of MySQL closed source.
 >
 > Oracle claims that it would take good care of MySQL but let's face the
 > facts: Unlike ten years ago, when MySQL was mostly just used for the web,
 > it has become very functional, scalable and credible. Now it's used in
 > many of the world's largest companies and they use it for an increasing
 > number of purposes. This not only scares but actually hurts Oracle every
 > day. Oracle salespeople have to lower prices all the time to compete with
 > MySQL when companies start new projects. Some companies even migrate
 > existing projects from Oracle to MySQL to save money. Of course Oracle has
 > a lot more features, but MySQL can already do a lot of things for which
 > Oracle is often used and helps people save a lot of money. Over time MySQL
 > can do to Oracle what the originally belittled Linux did to commercial
 > Unix (roughly speaking).
 >
 > So I just don't buy it that Oracle will be a good home for MySQL. A
 > weak MySQL is worth about one billion dollars per year to Oracle,
 > maybe more. A strong MySQL could never generate enough income for
 > Oracle that they would want to cannibalize their real cash cow. I
 > don't think any company has ever done anything like that. That's why
 > the EC is skeptical and formalized its objections about a month ago.
 >
 > Richard Stallman agrees that it's very important which company owns MySQL,
 > that Oracle should not be allowed to buy it and that it can't just be
 > taken care of by a community of volunteers: http://keionline.org/ec-mysql
 >
 > Oracle has NOT promised (as far as I know and certainly not in a legally
 > binding manner) that:
 >
 > - They keep (all of) MySQL under an open source license
 > - Not add closed source parts, modules or required tools.
 > - To not rise MySQL license or MySQL support prices
 > - To release new MySQL versions in a regular and timely manner.
 > - To continue with dual licensing and always provide affordable commercial
 >   licenses to MySQL to those who needs them (to storage vendors
 >   and application vendors) or provide MySQL under a more permissive
license
 > - To develop MySQL as an Open Source project
 >   - To actively work with the community
 >   - Apply submitted patches in a timely manner
 >   - Not discriminate patches that makes MySQL compete more with Oracles
 >     other products.
 > - To ensure that MySQL is improved also in manners that make it compete
 >   even more with Oracles' main offering.
 >
 > >From looking at how Oracle handled the InnoDB acquisition, I don't
 > have high hopes that Oracle will do the above right if not required to
 > do so:
 >
 > For InnoDB:
 > - Bug fixes where done (but this was done under a contractual obligation)
 > - New features, like compression that was announced before acquisition, took
 >    3 years to implement
 > - No time tables or insight into development
 > - The community where not allowed to participate in development
 > - Patches from users (like Google) that would have increased performance was
 >   not implemented/released until after Oracle announced it was acquiring
Sun.
 > - Oracle started working on InnoDB+, a better 'closed source' version of InnoDB
 > - In the end Sun had to fork InnoDB, just to be able to improve performance.
 >
 > It's true that development did continue, but this was more to be able
 > to continue using InnoDB as a pressure on MySQL Ab.
 >
 > Note that Oracle's development on the Linux kernel is not comparable
 > with MySQL, because:
 > - Oracle is using Linux as the main platform for their primary database
 >   product (and thus a better Linux makes Oracles platform better)
 > - The GPL code in the kernel is not affecting what is running on top on it
 >   (because of an exception in Linux).
 >
 > Because we don't have access to a database of MySQL customers and
 > users the only way we can get the word out is to use the MySQL and
 > Open Source community. I would never have resorted to this if Oracle
 > would not have broken the well established rules in anticompetitive
 > merger cases and try to influence the EC by actively mobilising the
 > customers.
 >
 > This is very critical to this AS SOON AS POSSIBLE as EC, depending on
 > what Oracle is doing, needs to make a decision either on Monday
 > (2009-12-14) or within two weeks. Becasue of the strict deadline,
 > every email counts!
 >
 > What I want to ask you to do (until 2009-12-19):
 >
 > - Forward this email to everyone that you know is using MySQL or Open
 >   Source/free software and to all email list where you know there are
 >   people present that use or care about MySQL and open source (please
check
 >   first that this email hasn't been sent there before)
 > - Alternatively send emails with information about this and tell them to read
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html
 > - Add links on your web site to
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html with the text "We are using
MySQL, help save it", for the
 >   duration of the next two week.
 > - Blog about this (feel free to include this text or just link to my blog)
 > - Call by phone (don't contact by email, this is urgent) your boss or VP
 >   and ask him to read this email and send a letter to the EC commission
ASAP!
 > - If you don't have anyone to contact above, send an email to the EC!
 >
 > As we want the EC to get a correct picture of the situation, we want
 > you to first fill in the upper part and then choose one of the
 > proposed texts belove that best matches your view of the
 > situation. Feel free to supply your own text and additional
 > information if you think this will help the EC to reach a better
 > understanding of how MySQL is used.
 >
 > Send this to: comp-merger-registry@stripped
 >
 > If you have extra time to help, fill in the following, if not, just skip
 > to the main text.
 >
 > Name:
 > Title:
 > Company:
 > Size of company:
 > How many MySQL installations:
 > Total data stored in MySQL (megabyte):
 > For what type of applications is MySQL used:
 > Should this email be kept confidential by EC:  Yes/No
 >
 > Copy or use one of the below texts as a base for your answer:
 >
 > a)
 > I don't trust that Oracle will take good care of MySQL and MySQL
 > should be divested to another company or foundation that have
 > everything to gain by developing and promoting MySQL. One should also
 > in the future be able to combine MySQL with closed source application
 > (either by exceptions, a more permissive license or be able to dual
 > license MySQL under favourable terms)
 >
 > b)
 >
 > I think that Oracle could be a good steward of MySQL, but I would need
 > EC to have legally binding guarantees from Oracle that:
 > - All of MySQL will continue to be fully Open Source/free software in
 >   the future (no closed source modules)
 > - That development will be done in community friendly way.
 > - The manual should be released under a permissive license (so that one
 >   can fork it, the same way one can fork the server)
 > - That MySQL should be released under a more permissive license to
 >   ensure that forks can truly compete with Oracle if Oracle is not a
 >   good steward after all.
 > Alternatively:
 > - One should be able to always buy low priced commercial licenses for MySQL.
 >
 > There should also be mechanism so that if Oracle is not doing
 > what is expected of it, forks should be able to compete with Oracle
 >
 > c)
 > I trust Oracle and I suggest that EC will approve the deal unconditionally.
 >
 >
 > --------------------
 >
 > Let us prove to Oracle and EC that the Open Source community is a true
 > force and we take good care of our citizens and we prefer to work with
 > companies that does the same!
 >
 > The future of MySQL is in your hands!
 >
 > Thanks for the help!
 > Michael Widenius
 > Creator of MySQL
 >
 >  


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