From: Mike Hillyer Date: February 20 2004 10:28pm Subject: Licensing for tools List-Archive: http://lists.mysql.com/community/3 Message-Id: <40368A01.4010301@vbmysql.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok now here's a question to ponder... As you probably don't know, I run a site (http://www.vbmysql.com) that houses a pretty distincy community: as a site for Windows developers most of my users are writing commercial applications. Now this group is pretty confused about MySQL licensing, and some who have read the MySQL license documentation are trying to authoritatively state that they are ok to distribute their apps without a commercial license because their app talks to the ODBC manager, which talks to MyODBC, and there is a license exception for the ODBC manager. An interesting argument which even the FSF seems to favor. Now that was actually me on a tangent, lets get to the real question: I run Google Adsense on my site and I notice a lot of tools and libraries advertised. For example, I have ads for a product called MySQL X, a custom COM library for connecting to MySQL wia a C API wrapper rather than ODBC. Another ad lists a backup tool for MySQL. Both of these sell for less than $100 so obviously they are not paying a license fee to MySQL AB. So lets say I buy/sell a tool for others to use with MySQL: who pays the license fee? Me for using a commercial app with MySQL or them for selling it? This becomes interesting to me because the software in question is not an application built against MySQL but a tool to manage and/or interface with MySQL. So here's another thing to think about: how does MySQL deal with the small-time commercial developer? Lets say Joe Student develops a nice app with embedded MySQL and wants to sell it. Now it's an end-consumer application and he expects to only be able to charge $19 for it, which leaves him a little short when it comes to the MySQL license fees (And I don't want to hear that he should just release it as Open Source, this is not the point of the question and besides, if he goes that road MySQL AB gets nothing. Of course without a proper license solution MySQL AB gets nothing, since Joe just switched to using and Access .mdb file as much as he doesn't want to). And while we I am throwing out things to think about, lets consider a company that is thinking of adding MySQL support to their existing application that already runs on MS SQL Server: do they pay a licensing fee when they sell a copy? Why should they? When they sell a copy of their application to a customer who uses SQL Server, it is the customer who is responsible for ensuring that they have proper licenses for SQL Server, not the software vendor. Microsoft gives them free reign to use the drivers, because this means more applications will support SQL Server, and the customers of the ISVs will buy more copies of SQL Server as they buy more copies of the ISV produced software. Developers and end users need less ambiguity. If I choose to develop an application that is based on MySQL and wish to sell it commercially I need to know who needs to pay: me of the buyer of my software. If it's me I need to know how many licenses I need to buy: One for my office, one for each copy of my app I sell, one for each customer's server, one for each of my servers? I need to know what happens if I develop a server tool that could concievably be used with hundreds of customer servers. Finally, I need to know how I can use MySQL to power an application that costs significantly less than a MySQL server license. I hope this gets you thinking. Commercial developers want to use MySQL. I know, I have talked to plenty of them. The biggest barrier they have to using MySQL is their understanding of licensing, so lets smash this barrier! Regards, Mike Hillyer